33 Class in Chile

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33 Class in Chile

Postby Mel Turner » 05 Mar 2011, 13:27

Links to photos of 33 Class rebuilt by Casagrande at Chena (Santiago) Chile

SQM #5 was one of 4 (?) purchased by Casagrande from ALL/FCA Brazil in c.2001, ex Namibia
http://img43.imageshack.us/img43/799/img0973jc.jpg
Now used by nitrate mining company Sociedad Química y Minera de Chile S.A. (SQM)
This is the old Cape gauge partially electrified FCTT system out of Tocopilla in the Atacama desert
Sister loco #4 similar but retains the "dustbin lid" compressor air cleaner (?) lid on the LHS (very similar to FO #2009 below)

http://www.flickr.com/photos/pelaosux/5 ... otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pelaosux/5 ... otostream/
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 09&nseq=22
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 53&nseq=20
http://www.railpictures.net/viewphoto.p ... 86&nseq=10

Bogies on #5 have cast "SAR/SAS 1969"

Another of the hulks was rebuilt by Casagrande for Ferroviaria Oriental in eastern Bolivia, in 2004
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/4308 ... 182001.png
Photo is copyright Ferroviaria Oriental S.A.
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby John Ashworth » 05 Mar 2011, 14:35

Thanks, Mel. Interesting looking electric locos in one of those photos. Any more shots of them?
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby Mel Turner » 05 Mar 2011, 23:28

They are 1930's vintage GE boxcabs

Refer http://trn.trains.com/Railroad%20Refere ... Chile.aspx

6 replacement locomotives on order of which 3 have been delivered. Shells fabricated by Casagrande using recycled GE industrial diesel frames and bogies, fitout/mechanical/electrics by Chesta, both from Santiago

http://www.markusworldwide.ch/Railways/ ... opilla.htm
http://www.chesta.cl/proyectos2.php?idproyecto=329
http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_sirio_3 ... otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_sirio_3 ... otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_sirio_3 ... otostream/
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby John Ashworth » 06 Mar 2011, 05:23

Fascinating stuff. Those old electrics look far more interesting than the new ones which are replacing them!
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby Andreas Umnus » 08 Mar 2011, 01:10

It's true - really interesting pictures.
Thank you for the links.
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby meloaraujo » 16 Oct 2011, 00:28

Turner,

ALL sold 3 U20C locomotive No. 2663, No. 2668 and No. 2679 (original SAR # 33-410, # 33-452 and # 33-481) in 2003, this two are in the FOB, No. 2008 and 2009.

The locomotive No. 2677 ALL listed as returned RFFSA, strange fact, probably was downloaded by accident, may have been sold in this condition.

The photograph of the locomotive No. 2009 FOB you already posted, the 2008 is low.

[img]U20C1%202008%20FOB%20ex-%20ALL%20Informativo%20FOB.jpg[/img]

Was the picture of U20C1 No. 4 of MCS, or possibly the engine number 4 can be a Chilean U13C?

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Turner,

a ALL vendeu 3 locomotivas U20C nº2663, nº2668 e nº2679 (original SAR #33-410, #33-452 and #33-481), em 2003, desta duas estão na FOB, nº 2008 e 2009.

A locomotiva ALL nº2677 consta como devolvida a RFFSA, fato estranho, provavelmente foi baixada por acidente, pode ter sido vendida nesta condição.

A fotografia da locomotiva FOB nº2009 voce já postou, a 2008 está a baixo.

Teria a foto da U20C1 nº4 da SQM, ou eventualmente essa locomotiva numero 4 pode ser uma U13C Chilena?
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby Mel Turner » 16 Oct 2011, 05:45

To stop this reply from becoming too long winded, if anyone requires references to sources and documentation please PM and I will email.

There is 1.8 meters difference in the length of a U13C and a U20C, so easy to ID.

Empresa Ferroviaria Oriental, S.A.
2008 ex FCALP Dt.13101 (U13C) Casagrande 2003 rebuild, 1800 HP 7FDL-8 prime mover. EFO classification is U18C
2009 Casagrande 2004 rebuild, ex SAS/SAR 33.482, ex FSA (Brazil) 2662, (GE 36611)*
2010 Rebuilt Santa Cruz (Guaracochi) Maestranza 2009, frame from Fiat #1024, GE Mechanicals, EFO classification U20C
2011 (and 2012 building) Cassagrande rebuild of BG C23-7

SQM Chile
Both number 4 and 5 are rebuilds of ex SAS/SAR 33 Class by Cassagrande at Chena (Santiago). I measured both #5 and another U20C (see below) at Chena in April 2010 and both were 52' (15.85 meters)

Latin Tracks #16 reported (with photo) that Casagrande purchased 4 cores ex FCA/ALL. It appears that 3 of these were ex SAS/SAR 33 Class, and the 4th is a Brazilian built U20C with a flat faced cab. Brazilian unit was stored under cover, and impossible to get photo.

*refer "Railways of Southern Africa - 2002 Edition" John N Middleton, Amendment List 3a - April 2006
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby meloaraujo » 16 Oct 2011, 13:16

thanks for my exclarecer doubt, believed that Hall had sold only three locomotives diet for FOB, I would try to find that this 4th locomotive.

Do you know the relationship between the number or ALL previous and current SAR SQM or FOB?

I will soon post information on the GT26 and GT18 former SAR ALL.
thanks again ...

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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby John Ashworth » 16 Oct 2011, 17:03

Melo, welcome to the FOTR forum. I see these are your first two posts. We hope there will be many more.
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby Steve Appleton » 24 Oct 2011, 14:28

i have referred this thread to Richard Mancilla who runs an interesting Chilean railways website here:
http://www.trenesenlaweb.tk
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby Mel Turner » 25 Oct 2011, 06:23

The 3 ex SAS/SAR 33 Class purchased by Casagrande from ALL in circa 2001 are accounted for.

Casagrande rebuilt 1 for sale to Empresa Ferroviaria Oriental, S.A., plus the 2 rebuilds for SQM

The fourth (Brazilean built U20C) is still stored at Chena, last photos of her that I have seen are dated May 2011, the frame/cab is partially rebuilt, on BG shop bogies, is now parked outdoors, with the long hood off SQM #1 (U12C) stored on top of her

Casagrande at Chena are SQM's current contractor for rebuilding. SQM #1 was totally rebuilt with new hoods circa 2008.

In August/September 2011 SQM #5 was working Barilles-Maria Elena, with #4 sighted behind the wire at Pedro de Valdivia working the nitrate pampa.

SQM #4 still retains the South African long hood. The long hood on #5 is a Casagrande fabrication, and does not have the "dustbin lid" on the LHS.

I have crawled over #5, typical Casegrande rebuild with ID marks and tags ground off. This is common Chilean practice, (as with NREC in the States), pass a rebuild off as your own creation, add your own tags, and try to capture the replacement part sale. NREC are past masters at this practice, even replating new Cummins diesel engines with their own part/tag numbers. It makes ID of rebuilds very difficult.

Richard lives in Iquique, which is 210 km north of Tocopilla, so he may have contacts in the SQM Maria Elena backshop. SQM security is pervasive, and few seem to gain access behind the wire. Outside the wire it is a different story, we have found the crews chatty and friendly, I managed a short cab ride in a (Casagrande) rebuilt ex CODELCO SW1200M in the vicinity of Coya Sur in 2010.
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby Mel Turner » 26 Oct 2011, 12:27

For those with time on their hands, couple of Youtube clips of SQM #5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mNsu-_ZB ... re=related
In this one the photographer had trouble with the focus, but it clears toward the end
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dTck2Wtd ... re=related

Barriles (1006 meters) at the crest of the coastal escarpment, is where the electrics hand over to diesels, for the run inland to the nitrate pampa and the processing plants. Diesels occasionally over run the yard, with disastrous results. This wreck on 20/11/2009, killed the driver. The yard foreman had driven his pick-up truck alongside the overshooting loco, and the conductor had jumped, but the driver froze and was killed.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0WaHWf_f ... re=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=OWCiie5l_w4

SQM #3's origins unclear, rebuilt U9C or U12C (shells of both dimensionally identical), Casagrande rebuilt in late 2008.
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Re: 33 Class in Chile

Postby Mel Turner » 26 Oct 2011, 23:56

SQM #5 cast markings on bogie

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Photo taken August 2011

For other shots please refer
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pelaosux/5 ... otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pelaosux/5 ... otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pelaosux/6 ... otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/el_sirio_3 ... otostream/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pelaosux/5 ... otostream/

Since the arrival of #5, the other 33 Class #4 has been behind the wire at Pedro de Valdivia working on the nitrate pampa (security zone). Photos of #4 on public sites not common, and those from 2008 on Flickr, now deleted due to the 200 photo limit on free pages.
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